8.3.07

La guerre israélienne, pour la énième fois…

La logique de la domination, c’est l’absence d’arguments.
Je sais ami lecteur (comme shlon aime à vous appelez bande de crétins) que tu ne réfléchi pas, mais cet article de première page de Haaretz sera affiché sur ce blog en guise d’archive.

PM: Plan for Lebanon war made months in advance

By Aluf Benn, Haaretz Correspondent

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert told the Winograd Commission that his decision to respond to the abduction of soldiers with a broad military operation was made as early as March 2006, four months before last summer's Lebanon war broke out.

The commission, which is investigating the second Lebanon war, is expected to issue its interim report this month. It has sent testimony to attorneys representing individuals who could be harmed by its conclusions.

Olmert testified before the Winograd Commission on February 1, and its questions focused on three basic issues: the circumstances surrounding Amir Peretz's appointment as defense minister; how and why the decision was made to go to war on July 12, several hours after reservists Ehud Goldwasser and Eldad Regev were abducted by Hezbollah guerrillas on the northern border; and why Olmert decided to carry out a large-scale ground operation in Lebanon, 48 hours before the cease-fire, in which 33 soldiers were killed.
In his testimony, Olmert claimed he had held more meetings on the situation in Lebanon than any of his recent predecessors. The first meeting was held on January 8, 2006, four days after Olmert was called to take the place of Ariel Sharon, who had fallen into a coma.

Further meetings were held in March, April, May and July, after Corporal Gilad Shalit was abducted to the Gaza Strip.

The day before he appeared before the commission, Major General Gadi Shamni, Olmert's military secretary, presented its members with the schedule of the meetings on Lebanon.

The scenario presented in the various assessments reflected prior incidents: the abduction of soldiers from Israeli territory accompanied by heavy cross-border shelling. Then-chief of staff Dan Halutz said such an incident would have far-reaching consequences for Israel's deterrent capability. Halutz said Israel could not show restraint in the face of a kidnapping in the north, and it had to respond. Olmert testified that he accepted this stance.

In a meeting in March, Olmert asked the army commanders whether operational plans existed for such a possibility, and they said yes. He asked to see the plans, and they asked why. He responded that he did not want to make a snap decision in the case of an abduction, and preferred to decide at that moment. Presented with the options, he selected a moderate plan that included air attacks accompanied by a limited ground operation. At the time, Shaul Mofaz was defense minister.

The Winograd Commission asked Olmert what he thought his predecessor would have done. Olmert said that following Hezbollah's failed November 2005 attempt to abduct Israel Defense Forces troops in the border village of Ghajar, Sharon ordered the army to prepare a "list of targets" for a military response in Lebanon. The list included an air attack on the long-range Fajr and Zilzal rockets, which were destroyed in an air raid the first night of the war. Sharon said at the time that the status quo, of ongoing Hezbollah raids, could not continue. Olmert told the commission that he behaved as Sharon would have.


Olmert stated that he had decided in earlier meetings that Israel's goal in an operation would be the implementation of Security Council Resolution 1559, which calls for the deployment of the Lebanese army along the Israeli border and the disarmament of Hezbollah.

In May 2006, Olmert was informed by then-National Security Council head Giora Eiland and former prime minister Ehud Barak that the Lebanese government would agree to implement Resolution 1559 in return for an Israeli withdrawal from Shaba Farms. Olmert thought that it was best to implement the decision through diplomacy, and raised the issue with U.S. President George W. Bush, British Prime Minister Tony Blair and French President Jacques Chirac.

During deliberations last June, following Shalit's abduction, Olmert told the committee he was certain there would be a similar attempt to kidnap soldiers on the Lebanese border. He ordered the IDF to prevent this.

Regarding the decision to broaden the ground operation toward the end of the war, Olmert said he had wanted to influence UN Security Council deliberations so that the draft resolution 1701, calling for a cease-fire, would be amended in Israel's favor.

Olmert said that the morning he made the move, he had received a draft reflecting the French-Lebanese stance, which did not suit Israel. The expanded operation was aimed at pressuring the Security Council members, he said.

Commission member Ruth Gavison interrupted Olmert at that point, saying that while she had no doubt that the final operation was very successful, she wanted to know why it had not been carried out earlier.

Olmert said that had earlier Israeli ground offensives been successful, Israel would not have been in such a situation at the end of the war.

Based on Gavison's statement, Olmert concluded his testimony feeling he had convinced the commission that he made the correct decision in calling for the final ground operation.

He told his aides that he emerged from the deposition exhausted but felt the committee had accepted his view.

The Winograd Commission also asked Olmert whether appointing Peretz as defense minister was the right thing to do. He responded that the defense portfolio had been given to Labor under coalition talks, and the party chose its ministers.

Olmert's chief of staff, Yoram Turbowicz, gave the Winograd Commission the diplomatic exchanges that occurred during the war.

He said that as early as the first day of the war, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice spoke with Olmert and asked that Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora not be undermined. Israel understood this to mean that Lebanese infrastructure should not be destroyed, even though the IDF had originally planned otherwise.

Dov Weissglas, adviser to prime minister Ariel Sharon, explained Sharon's containment policy along the border with Lebanon, which was intended to prevent a two-front confrontation with the Palestinians and Hezbollah.

21 commentaires:

:) a dit…

Ce que je retiens de tout ca c'est que les americains ont fait pression sur israel pour eviter de detruire l'infrastructure libanaise et cela grace aux bonnes relations qu'ils entretiennent avec le gouvernement libanais. Saniora a reussi a sauver ce qui etait sauvable durant l'ete.
le reste est l'affaire de petits soldats de plomb qui s'entretuent entre eux et qui prennent leurs civils respctifs en otage.
Cela dit merci Olmert et hassoun les deux faces d'une meme ideologie de la mort.

:) a dit…

... et merci a al haqid qui veille sur notre bonne education nous la bande d'imbecile...

boumb a dit…

Ce que tu dois surtout retenir cher(e) :)c'est que vu l'intensité des bombardements qui ont touché le Sud et la banlieue Sud il ne doit y exister absolument aucune infrastructure de l'etat Libanais...

Mon pauvre haqid, il y aura toujours des abrutis qui ne comprendront rien à tes posts

yy a dit…

haqid, réveille toi, va prendre quelques manouchés sa3tar, qui est le crétin qui pensait qu'Israel fait dans l'impro? encore un indice haqid?? qui a réussi à te faire avaler en été qu'il cherche à "surprendre" les Israéliens par une prise d'otage et une poignée de roquettes persanes? quand je sais qu'Olmert, le voisin qui me veut du bien, m'attend au tournant, est-ce que j'irais chercher ce même Olmert haqidou???

shlon a dit…

Israel ne fait rien dans l'impro, et le hez non plus ;)

Ces deux sont les seuls de la région à être sur un même pied d'égalité [point de vue planification stratégique, on ne parle pas là ni de niveau technologique, ni logistique, ni médiatique, ni même dans la perception qu'a de chacun d'eux respectivement l'opinion publique mondiale].

Le reste = cacax [siniora entre autres; à moins d'être premier ministre d'un État normal, ou probant, un pays d'Europe du Nord ou quelque chose dans le genre].

phil a dit…

"Je ne réfléchis pas donc j'archive". C'est optimiste comme maxime. Ca laisse espérer que l'archive pourra servir le jour où je commencerai à réfléchir.

PS. shlon > hibou chou caillou genou caca?

shlon a dit…

phil // MDR :)) haha effectivement, un cacax, des caca, élémentaire!

Nomad a dit…

Moi je crois qu'ils ont voulu détruire notre production de bouchons de bouteilles de Laban ayran®.

On leur faisait de l'ombre...

C’est vrai ni le Hez ni les Israéliens ne font dans l’impro, mais…. Le hezb s’est fait avoir, a mon avis, à l’insu de son plein gré (comme dirai un certain fana de la pédale). Ce dernier, pas le fana de la pedale, mais l’autre, c’est retrouve entoure, encercle, par une horde d’europeens sur mer, 15000 touristes a casque schtroumpf en plein dans le sud, l’hebreux a la porte, et, et en interne…. Une horde de 14martiens prets a en decoudre avec les poils de la barbe de hassouna.

En gros, ce genre de configuration explosive a ete preparee en seulement deux mois si l’on en croit l’olmert au QI a un chiffre ! Mon œil !

Et si je veux continuer dans mon analyse du jeudi aprem, derriere mon buro ou je ne glande rien depuis ce matin, le pire est a venir…

Chou ‘awlkoun si tsahal decidait de nous faire un remake de la chtite guerre de juillet 2006 ?
Chou bi sir ? moi je sais ce que le premier ministre israelien dira : « Yii. C’etait spontane ! 3anjadd c’est parti tout seul » !

Et le hezb dira : « Diviiiiiine Victory ! » Divine c’est ca… Define Victory plutot abruti !

Bon je retourne à mon nettoyage des vitres (en libanais) de hayfa …

gabrielf a dit…

ya shlon 3a bana nue du primptemps w maba3rif chou???? khlesna politique w akel khara haqid tes posts fhemnehone tu es le plus fort et olmert est une sous-pute/ neykouna yeha ba3ed lal fejleh

gabrielf a dit…

lak ayre be olmert niktouna fi

Nomad a dit…

'ssof katioucha 3layna eza heyk ya gabrielf! chou battal fina nehke hakeh bala ta3meh kamen??

tayb, rah neskout. 'addineh bel chamex wel Der General (oups sorry elet general).

:)

shrrr a dit…

de kel guerre vous parlez???
:)))

lets continue with our war, mashu nshabe2 mameiseh 3a ba3ed, c plus amusant et intelligent...
wel awwal yali bet lazzei2 chamex 3a mekkhou byekhsar...

shrrr a dit…

za chamex Victoryyyyyyyy

mellotron a dit…

""""Moi je crois qu'ils ont voulu détruire notre production de bouchons de bouteilles de Laban ayran®.""""

De quelle couleur le bouchon?

shrrr a dit…

bayda :)))

shrrr a dit…

w zar2a kamein, yiii juste comme le drapeau du 3adouuwwww... :)))

et cedars aussi est blanche et bleue hahahahaahh

shlon a dit…

nomad // c vrai :) il ne devait pas s'attendre `ce que ses collègues le baisent si profondément en pleine "tourmente"; ce qui est profondément con, vu que c'est ce qu'il y a de plus prévisible.

gabelf // si on change de tronche, ça veut pas dire qu'on arrête d'être con ;)

shlon a dit…

tout est dans la forme, ami, et dans le fond, que dalle. ou peut-être rien qu'une dalle.

Nomad a dit…

... tout est dans les formes et dans le fond de beatrice dalle...

Shlon, tu connais surement ce document: http://www.why-war.com/files/cleanbreak.pdf, ou peut etre pas.

C'est un bon point de depart pour comprendre comment tout a ete planifie. comment tout a commence. Les noms des personnes qui ont ecrit ce papier, et pour qui surtout est assez interessant. Personellement, je lie tout les evenements qui se sont passes au MO entre eux. je n'arrive pas a me dire que ce qui est arrive, ce qui se passe maintenant n'a pas ete reflechi d'avance. Ma ba3rif, il faut peut etre que j'arrete de lire.

Le prochain "incident" militaire avec israel, provoque je ne sais comment encore, sera le plus violent. mais ca reste mon avis perso.

Et puis Olmert ne restera pas longtemps. Netanyahu viendra surement a sa place. Ce papier la, a ete ecrit pour lui... a sa demande.

ornickar a dit…

Le liban est du sable mouvant, ne mettez pas un pied dedans.
je pense que le message est assez clair pour ke Israel se calme un coup.

and yes victory! non pas divine mais absolue!

الشرموط الاكبر a dit…

اي مظبوط ياأرنيكار. لبنان راح يبقى مستنقع و مقبرة للغزاة. بس بالنهاية كل قوة غازية بترجع بي آخر المطاف بتنسحب و بتضبضب بي بلدها.القوا ت الغازية ما فارقة معها ابدا لانو المعركة مش دايرة بي بلادها, بل المعركة العسكرية دايرة على حسابنا و على ارضنا و بي ضيعنا و بي مدننا وبين سكاننا. و نحنى بي نهاية المطاف يللي عم ينتاك عرضنا بالمقلوب و مش القوات الغازية.